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Interviews - Interviews 2009

Frank Mangano

Dr. Cynthia Foster

Frank Mangano,
Consumer Health Advocate and Author

Dr. Cynthia Foster, MD

Interview with Dr. Cynthia Foster of Dr. Foster’s Essentials: Complete Health Solutions - Page 2

Dr. Foster: To produce the swine flu vaccine, samples of the virus against which we want a vaccination must be collected.  Then, an original strain must be made.  This takes three weeks.  These viruses are often mixed and/or spliced with other viruses to weaken them or make it easier for them to multiply.  The only way a virus can reproduce is by growing as a parasite on something living.  This is why many vaccines are grown in eggs or on animal tissues.  For example, the swine flu vaccine was manufactured in eggs.  It takes another three weeks to test the strain to make sure that it is safe, that it can grow properly in eggs or tissue, and is the correct strain.

So, after six weeks of producing the strain and testing it, the strain is sent to manufacturers who begin manufacture.  For three months, the manufacturers must do tests to determine if they have the correct strain and in the correct dose. When they are ready, they begin injecting the strain into thousands of eggs to multiply the viruses.  This takes another two weeks.  After production, quality control takes an additional two weeks to verify the correct strain.  After the manufacturer dilutes the strain and puts it into vials, there has to be more testing to determine if the solutions are sterile (solutions can become contaminated with various bacteria or viruses just by handling them.).  This testing takes two weeks.  After the vaccine has been completed, it can take about four weeks for clinical tests on animals or humans to see if it is effective.  All in all, the whole process can take around six to seven months.

Then, in order to mass produce the vaccine, we have to grow the virus on something because we’re going to need millions upon millions of virus particles to make all of those vaccines.  Now, anyone who knows anything about biology knows that in order to do this, we have to grow the organisms in a culture.  A culture is a solid or a liquid containing the nutrients required for the organism to grow.  You can grow organisms on a culture, but it has to be the right culture with the right nutrients, the right temperature and even the right atmospheric conditions, otherwise the organism won’t grow.  If the conditions are wrong, and your sample is contaminated, sometimes other organisms grow instead.  And other organisms can compete for the same nutrients. So, you can see here that lots of things can go wrong during this process.  And this is why so much testing is needed.

At any point during this process, there can be contamination.  For example, there may be other bacteria or viruses in the eggs or in the animal tissues.  They can mix in with the intended virus.  And during the culturing process, it may not be noticeable at first, since some organisms can be present, but they can take longer to grow.  So, they may be invisible, showing no evidence of being there, but they are actually there.

Problems with cultures happen all the time in hospitals.  A patient has an infection, and a culture is ordered to determine what is causing the infection.  It can take about two weeks for most things to grow on a culture.  However, if you choose the wrong culture medium, even though the infecting organism is there, it’s not growing.  Because viruses are so tiny, they can only be seen with an electron microscope, so a regular microscope is of no use whatsoever in viewing viruses.  Most times, doctors rely on tissue evidence of viral infection and not the ability to actually see the virus.  This is not a fail-safe process.  Viruses can create tissue damage and if you see a certain type of tissue damage, you can “assume” that the virus is there.  However, just because you don’t see tissue damage, does not mean that the virus is not there.  You can have millions of viruses in a sample that have not yet invaded the tissue and it will not show up as tissue damage.  And you will never see a single virus with a regular microscope because you have to use a special electron microscope to see viruses.

Do you think that there is someone working in the labs whose job it is to look all day long at samples through an electron microscope in order to identify that the virus is actually present?  I guarantee you no one is doing this.  Nowadays, there is testing with reagents, chemical tests.  But no one can go through each and every batch of vaccine with an electron microscope—it would simply be too time-consuming.

Medical technology has been unable to produce a vaccine that is absolutely pure with the one particular strain of virus or bacteria against which it is supposed to protect.  The polio vaccine was highly contaminated with viruses normally found only in monkeys, although researchers did not originally obtain the polio virus from monkeys.  How did that happen?  The original virus was obtained in human feces and then cultured in Green Monkey skin cells, monkey testicular cells, and then grown on rhesus monkey kidney cells.  The kidneys were infected with the virus, and then the pus was collected to make the vaccine.  The only trouble is that along the way, you have potential for contamination with human feces bacteria and viruses, with organisms from Green Monkey skin, monkey testicular cells, as well as rhesus monkey kidney cells.

There is a lot of potential for contamination here.  The pus contained many other organisms beside the polio virus.  At any given moment, there can be many types of bacteria and viruses swimming around in a human body, in an egg, or in monkey kidney tissue, or other animal tissue.   Humans and animals are filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of pathogens (organisms that can cause disease).  Because so much animal tissue is involved in the making of a vaccine, this is why they are not “kosher.”

Although the polio vaccine was originally believed to have been produced from a pure strain, when it was analyzed in modern times, it was found to contain over 39 other types of viruses.  When the polio vaccine was first introduced, the technology did not exist to purify the vaccines.  One of the viruses was the simian virus, otherwise known as the SV40 virus (stands for simian virus).  This is a virus that infects monkeys (simian means monkey).  In 1961, it was found that when this monkey virus was injected into hamsters, it caused tumors to form.

It is known that many types of viruses can cause several types of cancer.  Many viruses can do this because they contain DNA.  The virus injects its DNA into the host (human, animal or whatever it is infecting) and uses the host’s cells to multiply itself.  This piece of DNA can also splice itself into the host DNA and stay there for the life of the host.  Many of these virus types ended up in cancerous tumors years later and were implicated in causing many types of cancer, including medulloblastomas (type of brain cancer), bone cancers and mesotheliomas (type of lung cancer).  The rate of childhood cancer did increase in the 70s, 80s and 90s after the polio vaccine was administered in the 60s; whether the vaccines were the cause remains a question.  Although the SV virus in particular is now classified as a human carcinogen and is routinely used to produce the cancer cells needed to test anticancer therapies.  There is no doubt about whether SV40 virus causes cancer.

Now the question of the day is, “Why has SV40 virus been found in children who were vaccinated in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s, after the contaminated vaccine was banned?”  In the 60s, the government began to require tissue cultures to test vaccine strains for contamination.  And yet, contamination occurred anyway with SV40 viruses.  Monkey viruses don’t just show up in children’s blood naturally!

Monkeys can harbor many latent viruses in their bodies, viruses that do not necessarily cause sickness or disease in monkeys, but that can cause diseases in humans.  And there is no way to absolutely guarantee that when cultures are grown in animal cells, that these cells are going to be free of other viruses and bacteria.  So, in effect, we are taking unknown viruses from animals and injecting them directly into our bodies.  In nature, this is something that would never happen.  We have immune defenses against things we eat, things we breathe, and things that get on our skin because these are the ways that organisms normally get into our bodies.  Odds are that for something that doesn’t ordinarily occur in nature, our bodies have not developed much of a defense against it.

In the attempt to counter these problems, most vaccines contain antibiotics and/or formaldehyde and thimerosal (a mercury-containing preservative).  These things kill many types of bacteria and other types of organisms that could contaminate a vaccine.   They also serve to preserve the vaccine after it has been manufactured (for example to prevent spoilage).  Unfortunately, some people are allergic to antibiotics, and can have allergic reactions to antibiotics.  Formaldehyde is also a preservative that prevents animal, food or microbiological products from spoiling, yet it is also a known carcinogen.  No one debates that formaldehyde is a carcinogen— it’s been proven many times throughout the world.  In fact, when I was in my first year of medical school taking gross anatomy, the professors told us, “The only way we can preserve the human bodies for dissection is to preserve them in formaldehyde.  And we’re sorry because we know that formaldehyde is a known carcinogen.”  Without the formaldehyde, the bodies would decompose very quickly and the smell would be horrendous.

Mercury is a known neurotoxin as well.  There are probably hundreds of research studies proving it.  No one can refute it.  The original doctors who used mercury to kill infectious diseases administered it by mouth to kill syphilis organisms.  They were often successful.  After all, mercury is a strong antimicrobial.  Unfortunately, even though they were successful at killing the organisms that cause syphilis, their patients would die due to mercury toxicity.  These doctors were originally called “quacksalvers”—a derivative of the word quicksilver, another word for mercury.  And this is the origin of the word “quack.” Quacks were actually doctors who used mercury to treat their patients.  Even though mercury would “cure” syphilis, it would often kill the patient.  You can understand why the word “quack” has such a negative connotation.

 

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